the three main fittings

the three main fittings

Three stages of suit making
(The 3 fittings you get between getting measured and getting a finished suit: 1. The “Skeleton baste”- notice canvas showing 2. The “Forward”, and 3. the “Finish bar finish”.)

Recently, I was contacted by a potential customer informing me he wanted to meet for a fitting at Savile Row, next Tuesday.

This was news to me as I had never met the man, let alone run a tape around him. There was nothing to fit!

However he‘s not alone in his naivety. There’s a lot of confusion out there about the stages involved in acquiring a bespoke suit.

So I’ll try to clarify things.

Ideally your new tailor should be recommended to you . But if not, you’ve probably been persuaded by good PR in the magazines. Alternatively, you may just be making a leap of faith. Which ever route you’ve taken, the process should go something like this:

First off, make sure you let your cutter know what the suit is to be used for. Sounds obvious, but when a huge array of cloths are presented for the first time, it’s tempting to go wild.

So you order that 20oz, double-breasted black chalk stripe. Like De Niro wore in the Goodfellas. Great, and why not, you’ve always wanted a suit like that….

Sadly, the suit was supposed to be for your Mother-in-Law’s second wedding…. Oh, and its on the beach in Tahiti.

Sounds stupid, but it happens. So think about it.

After you’ve made a wise decision on cloth, the measurements and style details will be taken. A bespoke savile Row suit usually takes around four to eight weeks for delivery. Keep that in mind. If you want the suit for a special date, let the cutter know. But give him a date a week earlier. Unless youre middle name is Methusalah don’t tell the cutter to take his time. Or else it’s STRAIGHT to the bottom of the cutting pile for you.

Then the process should go something like this.

1. After a couple of weeks you will get a first fitting, or “skeleton baste”. This fitting is used by about 99% of the world’s tailors. This basically means that the basic parts of the suit are sewn together. Simply using a simple, white cotton “basting thread”. Using only the minimal interior construction, canvas and shoulder pads/wadding etc.

Although first fittings are quite basic, they are popular, as they allow for more and larger inlays (seams) to be used.

This enables the cutter to check the basic fit of your pattern, and also allows more chances for later alteration, should he need to correct any major errors in the pattern.

Getting to this point can be done with the minimum of expense.

As I said, this stage is used by most tailors, especially for new customers. With older customers this stage can usually be skipped as the cutting pattern would have already been perfected.

Anderson & Sheppard , myself and a few other A&S expats miss out this stage altogether. We go straight to a forward (second) fitting.

Why? As my former mentor at A&S, Mr. Hallbery told me, “If you need the inlays, you don’t know what you’re doing”.

It sounds a little harsh, but as I found out, as usual, he was right. It sharpens your mind and blades when you’ve no room for mistakes. Also, you and the customer get a better idea of feel and fit of a suit from the beginning.

I guess it’s a case of what you’re used to. However, A&S and I still have a first fitting for dress/morning coats and any new customers who have a difficult figure. The other benefit of a skeleton baste is that you can have a fitting within a few hours, when time is a problem.

After the first fitting, alterations are made to your suit and pattern. And any necessary re-cutting.

2. Then we have the “forward” (the second fitting).

Your suit will now have all the major construction, including pockets and facings etc. The collar will not be fitted and the sleeves will be the at the same stage as the skeleton baste. Again, this will give you a truer picture of how your suit will look. Again, any alterations needed are made to the suit and pattern.

The suit is then usually completely finished after this stage, minus a few tweaks.

3. Sometimes we have an extra third fitting. This is called “finish bar finish” (fin bar fin). At this stage the suit will be completely finished apart from buttonholes and hand felling(sewing) etc.

This is used if time is limited or perhaps if the cutter is unable to see the customer for a final fitting. This may happen when the suit is to be shipped ahead to the customer. Very common for Savile Row tailors.

When final adjustments are made, you should both be delighted. You can now go off and enjoy the pleasures of bespoke. But remember, cloth is almost fluid. And none of us can tell how it’s going to react after its been worn a few times. Your cutter should always ask to see you again in a few months. Then he can make sure your new suit has settled properly. And most importantly, you are delighted with the result.

Sadly, there are people who are not entirely satisfied. And instead of taking the suit back, which in most cases all problems can easily be rectified they do the worst thing, and just complain to everyone else.

Remember tailoring is very personal. Try to give your cutter every chance to get to know exactly what you want.

4 Comments
  • HUGO
    Posted at 10:05h, 10 June Reply

    Hi there,
    Thank you for this very interesting blog.
    One question. I’m a customer of Cifonelli in Paris (2 Bespoke suits in my closet and one in progress), and for each suit i’ve ordered there, the two firt fittings are done WITHOUT sleeves. The sleeves are sewed only for the 3rd fitting. Is it a special way to do ? Or is it also done like this in other Bespoke companies (specially in the UK) ?
    Thanks, HUGO

  • Michael Turner
    Posted at 03:29h, 14 November Reply

    Good evening All

    I am very interested to learning how to making a Bespoke suits. What would be the best coarse of action?

    Look forward to the direction,
    Michael

  • T Bosch
    Posted at 19:34h, 16 March Reply

    Dear mr. Mahon,

    In this article you state you (and A&S) usually skip the first fitting, in the article about pattern drafting you said you don’t measure it all out, yet the neckline is really important, so how do you correctly do a neckline without a first fitting?

    Yours sincerely, T Bosch

    • Tom Mahon
      Posted at 09:53h, 17 March Reply

      Dear Sir,

      Personally I do leave the front edge unfinished. As you said it gives good flexibility while fitting. However, you’re correct in that when I was at Andersons’ we always went to a forward fitting. Quite simply if the edges were to big you had to cut them off, a bad job to do. Conversely if they were too small you’d have to crooken and drop the neckpoint, another bad alteration. Or simply you just got it right. Which in all fairness was usually the case.

      Well spotted.

      Best,

      Tom.

Post A Comment